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David Ellis, Promoter Account Manager at Sonicbids, shares some insider information and tips on working with promoters and understanding how they operate.

Since August of 2005 I have had the pleasure of working with all sorts of promoters – small music series, big festivals, films, magazines, conferences, etc. I absolutely love doing what I do and building relationships with these organizations. I thought that after hitting my 3-year mark here at Sonicbids, it was time I shared some inside information on our promoter community and offer artists some advice in the process.

•  Promoters are not all created equal

I’ve worked with some partners who prefer to talk by phone, others by email. Some get back to me right away, others take a few days. Some are chatty, others choose to focus exclusively on business and never build a personal relationship.

What’s the point you ask? Just like musicians, family members, and the general population, promoters are not all created equal. I only mention it because after meeting so many Sonicbids artists at conferences and reading our Forum, I see that there is this perception that all promoters on Sonicbids are these Hollywood fat-cats that sit behind a desk all day, smoking cigars, and collecting thousands and thousands of dollars from artists.

David Ellis of Sonicbids (L) with David Silbaugh of Summerfest (R)

David Ellis of Sonicbids (L) with David Silbaugh of Summerfest (R)

Well, I’m here to say that A) most promoters don’t collect thousands of dollars at all and B) many promoters are great people who do, in fact, run great events that are focused on the artist. Here are some photos of me with promoters I work with: David Silbaugh from Summerfest and Roger Jansen from MOBfest. I have worked with both of these events for a few years now and know that both of them are awesome people who have a genuine concern for helping break bands at their events.

In many cases, you can learn more about the promoter via their website, bio, MySpace, etc. Utilize the “quick note” when you submit your materials with Sonicbids to connect on a personal level and stand out from the crowd.

David Ellis of Sonicbids (R) and Roger Jansen of MOBfest (L)

David Ellis (L) with Roger Jansen of MOBfest (R)

•  You catch more flies with honey than vinegar

This is an expression my dad used to always say to me when I was younger and it’s always stuck with me. Basically, it means that you’ll get a better response from being sweet than bitter. Don’t get all “sour grapes” and burn bridges. You’d be surprised at the nasty emails promoters get from “not selected” artists. Make yourself stand out by being nice and sending a really well crafted follow up letting the promoter know the value in booking you. In the end, they’re running a business, and if they see the value, they will book you. If you can’t explain the value in booking you, than you should see why you weren’t booked.

I got rejected for the first job I applied for here at Sonicbids, but it was something I really wanted. So once a month for a year, I kept following up with emails that showed my interest and eventually found something that was well matched for my skill set.

•  Always put your best foot forward

David Ellis (R) with Crispin Giles of NXNE (L)

David Ellis (R) with Crispin Giles of NXNE (L)

This is something that you’ll hear in Sonicbids “Quick Chats” all the time, but it is absolutely fundamental. If you ever get the chance to speak with one of our promoters one on one, this will be the first thing they say in terms of what artists need to know to get booked.

Typically, a promoter will make up their mind within 10 seconds if they want to book a band or not. Since, realistically, they may not listen to the 5th song in your EPK, make sure the best stuff is at the beginning. Same with the photo gallery.

I hope this sparks some discussion amongst the Sonicbids community. If any of you want to ask me questions, please feel free to do so via comment. Also, please feel free to tell me how good I look with a fake mustache. If you want to comment about how I should grow a real one, please feel free to do that too.

- David

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14 Responses to “Promoters Not All Created Equal”
 

I would like to publicly give the mustache two thumbs up.

Jenny Langer wrote on September 24th, 2008 at 3:51 pm

 

Thank you for the insight—great information to consider…..as far as the mustache is concerned, keep it in your pocket and use it at will!

Lands

Lands wrote on September 30th, 2008 at 12:48 pm

 

Thank you so much for this very informative article! Truly appreciate it! :)

Elsa Faith wrote on October 2nd, 2008 at 2:35 pm

 

Good article, but why would a handsome guy like you want to hide behind a mustache? Honey and vinegar is a good way to think of it. Another way I find helpful is that if you assume that the person is actually a great person but just wants to be efficient at what they do. It’s amazing how that belief transforms all of the communication into a positive experience. It also helps to do research on the kind of music the event has booked in the past and also what their audience might be. It saves on submission money and everyone’s time. These days when many more musicians are trying to make it without managers, you have to think like your own manager and not take things personally.

Jackie Henrion wrote on October 5th, 2008 at 8:25 pm

 

Great forum, great insight, this article actually sheds alot of light on the topic of promoters, especially when band members are trying to figure out how to be their own manager, like me. And dude, seriously, grow a stache, I have a baby face and cannot grow facial hair, it grows in like small patches that dont even get very long, so if you can do it, do it, I would.

Billy Jo

Billy Jo wrote on October 10th, 2008 at 6:27 pm

 

Thanks for the awesome comments everyone.

Jackie, everything you said is exactly right and that’s why we’re taking feedback from artists and revamping the Gig Listings to provide you with even more valuable information so that you can make better, more informed decisions.

Billy Jo, I can’t grow a mustache either. That’s why I’m so into this pic. Believe me, if I could, I’d grow one and join the Foo Fighters. I think bad facial hair is a requirement to be in that band. At least for Dave and Taylor.

David Ellis wrote on October 13th, 2008 at 5:33 pm

 

Good article, but in my 10 years of being in a band 99% of promoters I have dealt with were sour grapes! Maybe it’s because I’m in California? I must say though; I remember the names, faces and venues of the nice promoters! All 3 of them!

Eric Estrada wrote on October 14th, 2008 at 2:44 am

 

Thanks for the good tips. This really is some useful information to have.

Nancy Seymour wrote on October 15th, 2008 at 11:40 am

 

These sorts of informational and tip break-downs are so helpful… in the burgeoning on-line musician-biz, I think it is critical that service providers (like sonicbids) offer clear, easy and direct info on what helps their clients achieve the goals they have. We are most of us working at a computer, utilizing these services, and there can be a distinct feeling that there’s this invisible world somewhere that people are , hopefully, truly looking at and listening to artists.

Also, each website varies in the nitty-gritty and for me, having access to “how-to’s” makes or breaks my interest in involvement…

Lastly, mustaches are almost always a bad idea in my experience, so, for what it’s worth… HA!

Travis

Travis Wernet wrote on October 16th, 2008 at 4:42 pm

 

There is no need to sent nasty email to a promotor…in putting philosophy to work,(A good football player do not have to fight with his coach to obtained a jersey)…if a promotor refused to pick you,be calm…you already know what you are worth,so don’t worry.For me i will never get nasty toward a promotor for not picking me…it is better to be a peaceful individual.
Promotor or no promotor,if you are truly a good musician or artist, you will still hit the jackpot.

#2 Bravo Dave…i think the mustache make you to look like a professor….

The traveler wrote on October 19th, 2008 at 1:45 pm

 

Hi Dave,

NO!!!! I like your face without the Mario mustache! Thank you for a very informative article. I find that there are all kinds of people in every job, and you just have to look for the good guys who will have your best interests at heart. Anyone who promises you the moon should be avoided!!
Good luck in all of your endeavors!

Warm regards,
Carole

Carole wrote on December 6th, 2008 at 12:29 pm

 

Hello Dave
How have you been? some people have been asking me about the old rock band you were in years ago and if you would be willing to do a show or two for old times. think about it and let me know, your old friend Al,

Algie A. Wolters wrote on January 10th, 2009 at 7:12 pm

 

Keep the ’stache as a disguise to bail unnoticed on a lame party or to get away cleanly in the morning after a beer goggles hookup.

Oh yes, and please wear it while checking out our EPK, pretty please with honey on top…
;)

Andy Driscoll - The Band Who Cares wrote on January 12th, 2009 at 10:52 pm

 

I will shave mine off and give it to you if you will help me personally with getting a show haha!

mike wood wrote on January 14th, 2009 at 5:41 pm

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